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	<description>Catherine Lathwell&#039;s APL/A/J/K/Q Film Diaries</description>
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		<title>Comment on Brooks on Iverson by Roger Hui</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Hui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2012 17:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; receive the Turing award in 1979, 13 years after 
&gt; the publication of &lt;i&gt;A Programming Language&lt;/i&gt;

Ken received the award in 1979, 13 years after the implementation of APL\360 in 1966 and 17 years after the publication of &lt;i&gt;A Programming Language&lt;/i&gt; in 1962.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; receive the Turing award in 1979, 13 years after<br />
&gt; the publication of <i>A Programming Language</i></p>
<p>Ken received the award in 1979, 13 years after the implementation of APL360 in 1966 and 17 years after the publication of <i>A Programming Language</i> in 1962.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Titor&#8217;s time travel &amp; the IBM 5100 by aprogramminglanguage</title>
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		<dc:creator>aprogramminglanguage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2012 16:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Beth... On Friday I was explaining to someone how my first job with computers was mounting tapes... And  realized mid-sentence that this just sounds obscene in today&#039;s world where the moving parts have become so compact, we are less and less aware of that they exist at all.  Thanks for contributing your remembrance!

I would also like to take this opportunity to pass on a big congratulations to Hot Docs and the director of How to Build a Time Machine, Jay Cheel, for achieving their goal for the first ever DocIgnite crowd funding campaign here in Canada.  

And thanks everyone for the views and re-tweets folks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Beth&#8230; On Friday I was explaining to someone how my first job with computers was mounting tapes&#8230; And  realized mid-sentence that this just sounds obscene in today&#8217;s world where the moving parts have become so compact, we are less and less aware of that they exist at all.  Thanks for contributing your remembrance!</p>
<p>I would also like to take this opportunity to pass on a big congratulations to Hot Docs and the director of How to Build a Time Machine, Jay Cheel, for achieving their goal for the first ever DocIgnite crowd funding campaign here in Canada.  </p>
<p>And thanks everyone for the views and re-tweets folks.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Titor&#8217;s time travel &amp; the IBM 5100 by Beth Tibbitts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beth Tibbitts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2012 00:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I spent many, many hours programming the IBM 5100 computer.  In APL of course.  When did a )SAVE or a )CONTINUE on the tape drive, it made different patterns of noise with the tape going back and forth, and i can still remember how I could tell what kind of write it was doing based on the sound from the tape drive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I spent many, many hours programming the IBM 5100 computer.  In APL of course.  When did a )SAVE or a )CONTINUE on the tape drive, it made different patterns of noise with the tape going back and forth, and i can still remember how I could tell what kind of write it was doing based on the sound from the tape drive.</p>
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		<title>Comment on It&#8217;s APL&#8217;s Birthday! Or is it? by aprogramminglanguage</title>
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		<dc:creator>aprogramminglanguage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 13:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. APL&#039;s birthday sure stimulates some interesting and lively discussion!  Incidentally, this is also the the time of year we get attention on the world-wide-stage.   For these reasons,  I have decided to set November 27, 2016 as the release date target for the documentary.   The 50th anniversary of that first )save.  (And four more years might seem like a lot of time, but it actually puts us at the production cycle for the AVERAGE documentary according to my very unscientific sleuthing)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. APL&#8217;s birthday sure stimulates some interesting and lively discussion!  Incidentally, this is also the the time of year we get attention on the world-wide-stage.   For these reasons,  I have decided to set November 27, 2016 as the release date target for the documentary.   The 50th anniversary of that first )save.  (And four more years might seem like a lot of time, but it actually puts us at the production cycle for the AVERAGE documentary according to my very unscientific sleuthing)</p>
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		<title>Comment on It&#8217;s APL&#8217;s Birthday! Or is it? by Larry Breed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Breed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 09:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talk about starting at the top.  Working for and with Ken Iverson was my first job out of college.  Roger and I were introduced to Iverson Notation at the same SRI chalk talk.  I didn&#039;t do anything with it at the time, but a while later an IBM maverick technical guy and rhyming philosopher, Michael Montalbano, started hanging around Stanford&#039;s brand-new computer science department.  He was writing linear programming algorithms in the Notation, then hand-translating them into Fortran for his business-school students.  He gave some informal lectures on the Notation; Phil Abrams and I attended enthusiastically.

IBM announced the IBM System/360 on April 7, 1964.  Shortly after, Mike handed me a new IBM Systems Journal that had articles by the System/360 architects -- and holy cow, one by Ken Iverson, Adin Falkoff, and Ed Sussenguth that precisely defined the whole 360 line in 18 pages of Notation, plus commentary: &quot;A Formal Description of System/360.&quot; 

Phil and I devoured it.  Once past the steepest part of the learning curve, we gave a series of seminars to other students.  I found a few typos, which I mailed to Ken.

Then Ken came to visit, touring several institutions to talk about the Formal Description and his notation.  I listened, argued once or twice, and handed over my latest errata.  Ken thanked me, and said &quot;Larry, these are pretty minor.  Why don&#039;t you find something seriously wrong?&quot;

Nothing could have fired me up like that challenge.  I scoured the article.  Late at night I sat in bed, with the fold-out pages resting over my recent bride&#039;s nose (a nuisance) and eyes (appreciated).  I got lucky.  The Memory Access program had a race condition between requests from the Processor and Channel programs.

Next day at lunch I showed Ken what I&#039;d found.  Mid-afternoon
Mike came by my office.  &quot;Larry, Ken&#039;s taking the Lord&#039;s name in vain.  He came back from lunch saying &#039;That sonofabitch Breed!  Why didn&#039;t we talk to him before we published this god-damned thing?&#039;&quot;  And I knew that I had to go to work for him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk about starting at the top.  Working for and with Ken Iverson was my first job out of college.  Roger and I were introduced to Iverson Notation at the same SRI chalk talk.  I didn&#8217;t do anything with it at the time, but a while later an IBM maverick technical guy and rhyming philosopher, Michael Montalbano, started hanging around Stanford&#8217;s brand-new computer science department.  He was writing linear programming algorithms in the Notation, then hand-translating them into Fortran for his business-school students.  He gave some informal lectures on the Notation; Phil Abrams and I attended enthusiastically.</p>
<p>IBM announced the IBM System/360 on April 7, 1964.  Shortly after, Mike handed me a new IBM Systems Journal that had articles by the System/360 architects &#8212; and holy cow, one by Ken Iverson, Adin Falkoff, and Ed Sussenguth that precisely defined the whole 360 line in 18 pages of Notation, plus commentary: &#8220;A Formal Description of System/360.&#8221; </p>
<p>Phil and I devoured it.  Once past the steepest part of the learning curve, we gave a series of seminars to other students.  I found a few typos, which I mailed to Ken.</p>
<p>Then Ken came to visit, touring several institutions to talk about the Formal Description and his notation.  I listened, argued once or twice, and handed over my latest errata.  Ken thanked me, and said &#8220;Larry, these are pretty minor.  Why don&#8217;t you find something seriously wrong?&#8221;</p>
<p>Nothing could have fired me up like that challenge.  I scoured the article.  Late at night I sat in bed, with the fold-out pages resting over my recent bride&#8217;s nose (a nuisance) and eyes (appreciated).  I got lucky.  The Memory Access program had a race condition between requests from the Processor and Channel programs.</p>
<p>Next day at lunch I showed Ken what I&#8217;d found.  Mid-afternoon<br />
Mike came by my office.  &#8220;Larry, Ken&#8217;s taking the Lord&#8217;s name in vain.  He came back from lunch saying &#8216;That sonofabitch Breed!  Why didn&#8217;t we talk to him before we published this god-damned thing?&#8217;&#8221;  And I knew that I had to go to work for him.</p>
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		<title>Comment on It&#8217;s APL&#8217;s Birthday! Or is it? by aprogramminglanguage</title>
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		<dc:creator>aprogramminglanguage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 16:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your note, Ray.

Kurt W. Beyer has a really interesting analysis of IBMs position and literature concerning inventions in general and in particular with respect to Howard Aiken in his biography of Grace Hopper.  (Aiken was Dr. Iverson&#039;s advisor at Harvard).  It was Beyer&#039;s analysis which inspired my thoughts about what you are saying. I believe there are at least two forces pulling on APL with respect to credit and profit; those of a protective proprietary patent culture (beginning with IBM) and those values which evolved from mathematics which concern sharing scientific information for the advancement of humanity.  APL certainly straddles both world views which is one of the reasons it makes such an interesting subject for a documentary.  

I have never heard that IBM denies Dr Iverson as the inventor of APL but on the other hand, it would be uncharacteristic of that organization to give credit to any individual for a particular invention (thought they do have their &quot;Fellows&quot;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your note, Ray.</p>
<p>Kurt W. Beyer has a really interesting analysis of IBMs position and literature concerning inventions in general and in particular with respect to Howard Aiken in his biography of Grace Hopper.  (Aiken was Dr. Iverson&#8217;s advisor at Harvard).  It was Beyer&#8217;s analysis which inspired my thoughts about what you are saying. I believe there are at least two forces pulling on APL with respect to credit and profit; those of a protective proprietary patent culture (beginning with IBM) and those values which evolved from mathematics which concern sharing scientific information for the advancement of humanity.  APL certainly straddles both world views which is one of the reasons it makes such an interesting subject for a documentary.  </p>
<p>I have never heard that IBM denies Dr Iverson as the inventor of APL but on the other hand, it would be uncharacteristic of that organization to give credit to any individual for a particular invention (thought they do have their &#8220;Fellows&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>Comment on It&#8217;s APL&#8217;s Birthday! Or is it? by Ray Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 15:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought I was one of the early users, I first used APL in 1985, on an IBM 360 mainframe computer.

The IBM guys sent a deputation round to our research labs at Berkeley and to persuade us of the value of APL and i admit, it did prove handy for our time series stats.

IBM never mentioned anyone else inventing APL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought I was one of the early users, I first used APL in 1985, on an IBM 360 mainframe computer.</p>
<p>The IBM guys sent a deputation round to our research labs at Berkeley and to persuade us of the value of APL and i admit, it did prove handy for our time series stats.</p>
<p>IBM never mentioned anyone else inventing APL.</p>
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		<title>Comment on April 15, 1989 by aprogramminglanguage</title>
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		<dc:creator>aprogramminglanguage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 19:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Photo by Jana Michaud is of Dr Iverson on his farm in Ontario, with a Frisbee bearing the logo of J, APL&#039;s daughter programming language).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Photo by Jana Michaud is of Dr Iverson on his farm in Ontario, with a Frisbee bearing the logo of J, APL&#8217;s daughter programming language).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Kenneth E Iverson &#8211; Toronto Memorial November 18, 2004 by Jon McGrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon McGrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 23:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicely done, Catherine.

—McGrew</description>
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<p>—McGrew</p>
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		<title>Comment on Kenneth E Iverson &#8211; Toronto Memorial November 18, 2004 by Ken Lettow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Lettow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 23:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yay!</description>
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